Clemens just reached Pete Rose level

**imported_GC_Quincy** · April 30th, 2008, 11:08 PM

First major league game I saw in person was the Blue Jays and Braves in Atlanta. Maddux pitched against the "Misrememberer". We went to a sports restaurant in our hotel following the game. This older gentleman came up to us and was telling us how the visiting teams always stayed there and would sometimes come into the restaurant after a game. About 20 minutes later, Delgado came in with his wife. Right after, Canseco came in with a young (20ish maybe) lady. He was only 5 feet from us, and we heard him tell his lady friend that they would be leaving when "Rog" got there. Well "Rog" arrived a few minutes later, with a young blonde (20ish also). They were all decked out, and left together. The following weekend, Rog was on TV saying how much his family meant to him. I haven't liked the sob since.

The older guy I was talking about, walked his young grandson over and he asked Canseco for his autograph and Canseco cussed him out. Not the old man, the kid. They wanted NO part of anyone in the place.

On a lighter note, as we were leaving we walked past Delgado's table and he acknowledged us, introduced himself and his wife and shook hands with us. That was nice to see after the garbage from the other 2.

I hadn't given that trip much thought until this entire mess got started. Now it just makes a feller wonder.

**imported_VHSLhelper** · May 1st, 2008, 02:48 AM

next in line - Mrs. John Daly

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8094080

**pvfan** · May 1st, 2008, 11:32 AM

I really hope his entire career goes down. The man is a fraud to me, there is no way he should be mentioned with other pitchers in his era such as Smoltz, Maddux, Glavine, Schilling, Johnson, etc.

**R13** · May 1st, 2008, 11:47 AM

why, because of accusations?...nothing has been proven with him, just abunch of accusations which holds nothing with me....just another woman trying to make something up to help her career...just abuch of B S, hes one of the greatest pitchers to play the game and that has nothing to do with what he does in his own time....

**pvfan** · May 1st, 2008, 11:50 AM

Roids, Roids, Roids. Forget Roger, he's a joke. If you can't see that your blind.

**LCAS_712** · May 1st, 2008, 11:52 AM

IMO roids or not he still one of the greatest pitchers in MLB history.

**pvfan** · May 1st, 2008, 11:59 AM

But he cheated to achieve it.

**burton2019** · May 1st, 2008, 12:03 PM

Clemens is trash.

**imported_Counts** · May 1st, 2008, 01:46 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVFAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But he cheated to achieve it. </div></div>

Not saying what he did was right but he only cheated if he used a product banned by baseball (Since Baseball had no Steriod Policy I DO NOT see how he cheated)

**sup-rbeast** · May 1st, 2008, 02:13 PM

I'm with ya counts....if it's not against the rules, it's not cheating. That has been my point with Bonds as well. When a law is passed making an act criminal, they don't go back and try to arrest everyone that had done said act in the past 25 years. That is basically the equivilent of what baseball id trying to do with the "steriod investigation" aka WITCH HUNT. Roger didn't cheat, Barry didn't cheat, nor did anyone else that used substances that weren't banned by baseball at the time the athlete was using it.